Even Henry Kissinger Knows Ukraine Can’t Win – w/ Chris Hedges

Former Secretary of State and widely reviled war criminal Henry Kissinger addressed the collected elites at the World Economic Forum to state his support for a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine war, arguing that cornering Vladimir Putin could have devastating long term consequences. Naturally, liberals freaked out at any progressives who pointed to Kissinger’s comments as evidence that the pest path forward in Ukraine is a negotiated settlement.

Jimmy and ​​Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Chris Hedges discuss whether even Kissinger deserves to be listened to on the Ukraine war issue.
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I'm here with Chris Edges and we're talking about what Kissinger had to say about Ukraine Kissinger says Ukraine must give up land to Russia warns west not to seek to humiliate putin with defeat and that picture looks like he just let out a very long part um so Henry Kissinger said Ukraine must concede territory to Russia how is this going to end how is this going to end Henry Kissinger not known to be a soft lefty says that Ukraine must concede territory to Russia to end the war and warn that west the west that a humiliating defeat for Russia could result in wider destabilization so so putin's gotten to Kissinger too i guess that's what the statesman now 98 made the comments in a conference at the world economic forum in Davos the wef you know those people on monday the Telegraph reported Ian Bremmer says i've never seen a Davos crowd give a standing ovation for virtual speech before zelen silenski this guy he's like the Bono of politics now and shows up in his t-shirt because he's fighting a war and every everybody loves just so Kissinger says that the arc Kissinger was the architect of the dayton with china under nixon's administration and he's one of the world's foremost advocates of real politic in which nations put morals and principles aside to achieve their aim so that's good that Kissinger is giving them a reason to seek peace that doesn't involve morals or principles right he's just being real politic about it prolonged war is a shitty idea outside of any concern for needless loss of human life or any of that other fake politic hippie right you need a good non-moral reason to not do it he goes on negotiations need to begin in the next two months before it creates upheavals and tensions that will not be easily overcome ideally the dividing line should be a return to the status quo auntie that's Kissinger per pursuing the war beyond that point would not be about the freedom of Ukraine but a new war against Russia itself wow do you think the Davos guests were rolling their eyes at that yeah no Kissinger the whole thing is a proxy war with Russia you think we give a about Ukraine most of us just now found out that it's not called the Ukraine [Laughter] okay Kissinger's comments imply that Ukraine should accept a peace deal to restore the situation to what it was before february 24th where Russia formally controlled the crimea peninsula and informally controlled part of the next region in eastern Ukraine that's called the donbass okay um and Ukraine officials have opposed the idea that they should give up any territory right you know why because the nazis in Ukraine will kill them if they say they should do that Ukraine president voldemort zielinski said Ukraine would only accept Russia giving up all claims to land in Ukraine and staging a total withdrawal so he has to say that or he's going to be killed by and that's that's not how it's ending i'll tell you i can guarantee you this is not how the war is ending that's it's not happening that way the way it's going to happen is whatever vladimir putin wants that's how it's going to end and it's going to end with the Ukraine seeding those those territories Kissinger in his remarks said that Russia had been an essential part of europe for 400 years helping balance the power structure at crucial times he argued that the west should not risk pushing Russia into closer alliance with china i hope the ukrainians will match the heroism that they have shown with wisdom Kissinger said adding that Ukraine's proper place was that's a natural buffer state rather than a fully integrated part of europe wow so now he's quoting from the soft on putin playbook how does he not get that world war three is worth it if it hurts that one guy we hate named putin okay hold on in recent months cracks have been showing in the western alliance against Russian aggression with isolationist republican lawmakers in the u.s opposing a 40 billion dollar aid package to Ukraine and hungary stymieing european union attempts to blockade Russian oil as inflation creeps up public opposition to the war may also increase isolationists isolationists the anti-vaxxers of statecraft how i hate them the isolationist and here's what friend of the show jackson hinkle says speaking at the world economic forum Henry Kissinger said the Ukraine should see territory to Russia to help end the invasion Kissinger made this claim not because he's a Russian asset but because he understands that europe's economy is beginning to implode so let me bring in chris hedges on this now Chris Edges knows a thing or two about things and um what do you make of Kissinger coming out and saying this why would he be unleashed to tell the truth because he comes out of a long history of dayton and cold war relations he george cannon the great sovietologist they all understood that we shouldn't expand nato beyond the borders of a unified germany at the time cannon live long enough to decry the expansion of nato is the greatest mistake of the cold war era the the balance of power power politics which by the way is what it was disrupted in the middle east iran and iraq used to balance each other out and then of course we went in there and essentially gave the iraqi governments to the shia and made it a province of iran and and so Kissinger's going back to that old playbook of making sure that there are that there never is an alliance formed between china and Russia and and during the old soviet union especially when mao visited he felt that stalin didn't treat him with appropriate respect and deference so that's that's always been part of the kind of geopolitical game and and that's where he's coming i hate to agree with anything Kissinger says he of course alone should spend the rest of his life in prison for what he did in 1973 against salvador allende and the chilean people but he's right he's right that's how it's going to end but this is and i think even the very cynical policy makers in washington know that's how it's going to end but they pump all these weapons into the Ukraine to essentially degrade to Russia's military to create a kind of another chechnya or the old afghanistan where the soviet occupation forces fought the jihadists who became the taliban who we funded under carter and so he's going back to that old playbook any and he does happen to be right but that these current neo-conservatives liberal interventionists all kind of fused into one see this as a wonderful opportunity to to if certainly Russia both in terms of sanctions and in terms of its military capabilities the sanctions are clearly imposed by the way to get rid of putin but kitchens turns right if it backfires the consequences and i think it will backfire the consequences are really dangerous for the stability of europe i mean cutting off Russian you can't talk about war if you don't know about markets which i also write about in this column they want to stop Russian shipment oil shipments to europe europe because then europe's got to buy from the us at much higher prices the the all of silicon valley u.s manufacturers although of course most everything is produced in china there are their heavy restraints in terms of their access to the chinese market so there's a great hostility towards the chinese communist party and they they certainly are stupid enough to think the threat of war might be a mechanism to open up those markets it's very clear that the in the in the in their vision the idea is to take down Russia and then they're going to take down china and that's it's of course insanity and dangerous i mean incredibly dangerous but and we just got a whole public relations display by biden where he's essentially he's invited japan and south korea the nato meeting in madrid he's trying to create a kind of nato pact in the indo-pacific it's it's just it's nuts but it feeds the coffers of the war industry or you know once again making more money than they know what to do with and of the paid political class and the paid pundits who serve their interests are are parroting what it is they want the public to hear but it's exceedingly dangerous look i mean these people biden the clintons all of them they have no business running the country i mean they they've destroyed the country ralph nader calls them traitors he's not wrong they're traitors but they perpetuate themselves and they do it and they know the growing unpopularity they do it by essentially shutting out third parties as you know i work with ralph and and making sure that you have to be so highly funded that that essentially you select they select the can as biden was selected remember i mean they yes every biden was a disaster and so they went to their savior who was michael bloomberg and then that didn't work out really well and then obama had to intervene and tell everybody that to drop out it's just and meanwhile we're paying very serious consequences for this well it's not and by the way so we you know you you like to make it out that it's you know biden and the usual war hawks and them but it's guess who else it is so here's matt duss and what does he say he says good for Kissinger to pop his head up to remind people why putin thought he could get away with it oh my god and you know who met so that's matt duss trying to discredit Kissinger Kissinger calling for peace and and for diplomacy and negotiations and laying out what is going to this is how this is going to end and we all know this is how it's going to end and there's matt dust cheering on the war machine that and who why is that important who's matt does jimmy matt dust was the porn foreign policy adviser to bernie sanders and now we know why bernie sanders sucks so much because he filled his campaign with people like that i'm pretty sure matt doss came right out of the center for american progress i'm pretty sure as did his campaign manager bernie sanders and now you know why bernie sanders went along goes going along with this bernie sanders isn't saying a peep he's not doing anything he's not standing up against this 40 billion dollars could end homelessness two times over in america bernie sanders voted for it and now you know why we live in a failed state because the people who are supposed to be art the champions of regular people he's supposed to be an independent bernie sanders which is the biggest i ever heard in my life is going along with it there is no left in america i keep telling people that and people say stuff like well the squad is the best chance we have jimmy you shouldn't criticize them so hard they're we don't have the squad we don't have bernie sanders the democratic party which means the corporate donors the corporate class the oligarchs they have the squad they have bernie sanders we don't have anything this idea that they're on our side is a joke of all jokes and there it is right there there's bernie sanders foreign policy guy when you know when Kissinger is to the left of you i think maybe i would take a look at my position again that's by the way Kissinger you call yourself a war criminal it sounds like a that's what matt dust is saying that's what he's saying and here's max blumenthal good for dust to pop his head up to remind people why bernie has become more hawkish on Ukraine than Henry Kissinger okay and michael tracy says what's the alternative to Kissinger's suggestion if not perpetual war because i still remember when everyone claimed they were sick of that there's the the only alternative to what Kissinger is saying is forever war here's matt dust folks if your anti-imperialism leads you to not along with Henry Kissinger it might be a good step back good to step back and take a moment and i say if if harry if you're to the right of Henry Kissinger it might be a good time to step back and take a moment matt and here's what glenn greenwald says your boss bernie sanders just voted with marco rubio lindsey graham ted cruz mitch mcconnell tom cotton and liz cheney to support this 40 billion war package so i don't really think these sorts of guilt by association tactics are helpful to you right now please compare the tweet above from bernie sanders foreign policy advisor matt dutt the one i met us i just showed you bitterly scolding unnamed anti-war leftists for sighting Kissinger on Ukraine with the exact same person below twice approving citing Kissinger ran so what he's pointing out is matt dust just tried to discredit Henry Kissinger and here's his tweets praising Henry Kissinger when he agreed with some good quotes from Kissinger schultz on iran deal but notable that in a long article they offered alternate ideas some criticisms aside good Kissinger and schultz op-ed on iran deal so that's who these people are and let me just bring in aaron mate he says when bernie sanders got Russia gated in february 2020 max blumenthal asked matt dusk why the campaign had not pushed back and demanded evidence for the alleged Russian interference in its favor dust said the campaign accepted u.s intel claims having been briefed convincingly holy f and f and the last slide bernie sanders becoming more pro-war than Henry Kissinger pretty much sums up 2022 as a whole for me well now you know what real politic means there's there's the politics you thought you were getting and then there's the real politic and that's it Chris Edges what do you make of someone like matt doss bernie sanders the entire left going being as hawkish as as as anybody as ronald reagan as i don't can't even think of anybody well it's a faux left i mean it's not a real left it's it's a left that won't confront american militarism because their political career would end even bernie wouldn't confront militarism that the fact is if we don't radically reduce military spending and retreat from our what 800 military bases around the world if we continue to essentially throw ourselves into unsustainable debt to carry out acts of feudal and military adventurism one debacle after another starting with vietnam going all the way through um and these people are not they're never held accountable both in the the kind of pundit class of the tom friedman's and george packers and and the others they're they're all the same the kagans are all the same cheerleaders for all of these disastrous military interventions they never go away they're never held accountable the people who oversee it both politically and militarily are never held accountable and and you can't confront them if you do confront them it's political oblivion and sanders is smart enough to know that so he didn't do it he won't do it what if he did though what do you think what if he did what if he tried to rally the progressives in the house and get people out in the street all of his followers right all of his millions and millions of followers what if he tried to rally people against this wouldn't that be something yeah well that would show political courage which he doesn't have he would end up like nader that's not conjecture because i was at an event with bernie before at the climate march with shamasawa the socialist city councilwoman and she kept pressing him to run as an independence before in the first presidential run 2016. and finally bernie said i don't want to end up like nader well that was the answer he didn't want to end up like nader his career was his political career was more important to him than doing what you just said and they're ruthless i mean i mentioned Henry wallace i mentioned mcgovern they do in the elites conspired against both of those figures remember that when mcgovern got the nomination the democratic hierarchy immediately bonded with the republican hierarchy to destroy mcgovern and then they changed all the rules so there would never be a grassroots movement that would be able to nominate a democratic candidate again so he knows his history he knows what would happen he doesn't want to pay the price it is amazing so demonizing ralph nader the way they did they even got lefties to do it they and i never felt for i never felt for that so i'm very proud of myself i never turned on ralph nader and pretended like he was the reason that we got george bush as our president by the way those same people who hated ralph nader for giving us george bush now love george bush right there you go so they and they still hate ralph nader isn't that you know it was so frustrating this is factually untrue because they stopped accounting after two counties and they swung it to the supreme court and they overturned any legal precedent that i know of and appointed bush president by judicial fiat it had nothing to do with nader gore ran such a shitty campaign he couldn't even carry his home state of tennessee so but but they were frightened of nader that's just like ron paul ron paul pulled 19 that terrified him that was the last time a third party candidate was ever going to get in the debates and even in the democratic primaries if you remember most of those when kucinich was running i like dennis he's a friend of mine when when he was challenging the health care industry well the health care into the debates are sponsored by corporations most of them by the healthcare healthcare you know the pharmaceutical and insurance industry and so they had this rule that you had to be number four i think in the top four could only enter the debate and it i think when dennis got to new hampshire or one of these states i can't remember after was first so probably was new hampshire but anyway one of the states he was four and they locked him physically out of the hall they wouldn't even let him in the whole game is fixed and if you play by the rules that they imposed and the squad does bernie does then they'll let you spout off and i mean the right wing does it too i mean it's a good point you made marjorie taylor green's no different it's all it's all political theater nobody i mean the cynicism of it is staggering and who was it who denounced green was raskin this great constitutional lawyer gets up and starts going after her for spouting putin propaganda i mean you can't it's just a burlesque that's their only game plan right so if you tell the truth they smear you as a putin puppet or they smear you as an alt-right or they and that's all they got and so i just i try to remind people that they did exit polls in florida when ralph nader ran and they found out that if ralph nader didn't win george bush would have won by an even greater margin that there was people do you know that two 200 000 democrats voted for george bush nobody talks about that 200 000 registered democrat in florida voted for george bush so this idea that ralph nader swung the election plus they kicked everybody off the rolls and the democrats didn't stand up against that stuff they kicked like 90 000 people off the rolls they were going to be democrat voters the democrats did stand up for there's so many things that happened in florida and ralph nader had nothing to do with it and by the way if ralph nader could make that happen then he should make that happen if you're that weak of a candidate that truth can drop and you know that's the whole reason we lived through Russiagate because the democratic party couldn't come to terms with the fact that they're so odious they're so repellent to normal people in the united states that they'd rather choose a game show host and so instead of dealing with that they decided to pretend the election was stolen by Russia just like when donald trump lost he pretended the election was stolen by whoever so anyway let's anything you'd like to say to close this segment out that's why the censorship so they're not they're not going to address the systemic or structural issues there's no interest on their part in doing so so the way that they're responding is censoring critics of the democratic party from the left and the right that's what's happening so we talked about youtube and it's open platform youtube erased six years well that's our next let's get to that that's our next story so let's hold that okay yeah yeah so so that's what i've been saying at this show you're saying a version of it now is that because our political system can no longer deliver to the people of america it's just broken it is seized up even right now they can't give people even during covid for some reason joe biden wouldn't give two thousand dollar check to people as if it was coming out of his own pocket so they're so broken that they they they know that people are going to revolt unless they can control the narrative and now they're using censorship to do it so instead of helping you then what they're going to do is stop the person who's pointing out that they're not helping you and they're going to censor them and that's what's happening and you got censored
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